Our top story a midday edition Washington is abuzz today with the word that Paul Manafort and Rick Gates has been indicted. George Papadopoulos has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his foreign contacts. There's a great deal of speculation whether all people charge will provide prosecutors with more information in the Trump Russia probe. Joining me is Marc Carlos . Welcome to the program. Besides the publicity is there anything unusual you notice about the first indictments issued in the Russian probe?What happens is the federal system and the way they work is they try to get somebody indicted and then that person is really a disadvantage because you want to lower your sentences and to start talking about other people involved. Is the first to see what's going to happen.As you look at the charges, what you make of the crime, conspiracy against the U.S.?Their sing that the U.S. tax evasion -- not really in the way I read it but it's the government as a whole.Rick Gates had a public defender is that unusual?If they did not know about the indictment or when it was going to be handed down -- at the defense in this case the fees are going to be huge. A couple of hundred thousand dollars at the least. So you are entitled to have a federal defendant appointed to you.You are looking over the indictment what you make of the government's case? Some have said that special counsel Moeller is strained from his task of investigating possible Russell -- Russia influence by making these charges.If you look at the indictment it is what it is. When he's investigating wrongdoings and sees a crime, he has to indict, which is what he did. He prevented -- provided evidence to the grand jury and they felt that there was enough evidence to push the case forward in the trial. It is the basic legal system that we have.There is a pro-Russian Ukrainian at the heart of the charges when it comes to the amount of money that Paul Manafort received.That is the hook because it involves for nationals. I think the important thing of this indictment is understanding the federal system is people need to reduce their sentences and Paul Manafort is looking at a substantial amount of time . Up to 20 years of not more depending on the enhancements to get. It is a significant amount of time and if he does not accept responsibility, it keeps going up and up. If he testifies in court and lies it can go more than that. He has an incentive to try to reduce the sentence and the way to do that is to go ahead and start talking about other people.Let me stay with that for a minute. To have to talk about other people or can you simply say I did what I've been charged with and I want to come to a deal on sentencing just basically plead guilty without giving away any more information?Absolutely. You can plead guilty to your part of the case without going further into it. In order to get a reduction in your sentence that's a motion that's made by the U.S. attorney after they believe that this information that you've given them is substantial and assisted in the prosecution of that case plus others. That's what requires a little bit more and require him giving information about other people involved. Other businesses that are used.'s quite extensive.Former Trump aid George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI and before we talk about the plea deal is it typical for the investigation to lead to charges like this instead of the underlying conduct? In other words, he's not charged with doing anything except lying to the FBI.It means that he negotiated this before he knew the pulley. -- Plea. He pled to a very minimal charge. It's not something that's going to be that significant, which means that he cooperated with the government and gave information before they gave in the charge. I'm sure he's going to continue to if he has information to give, he will do what he can to reduce the sentence.What kinds of information will they be looking for?They want to know who was involved in when and how and other people that may have ties to the Russian involvement.So what are the next steps for Paul Manafort and Rick Gates ? They have their first court appearance today and because there's been no plea already and they entered a not guilty plea, is that a sign that there at this point not cooperating?No, it is standard procedures. You enter a not guilty plea. It's kind of of formality. Then they will set the briefing. There's a lot to do in a case like this and it's going to take quite some time to get through. The lawyers have to go through it and their investigators how to interview witnesses before they can make a decision as to whether he's pleading guilty or not or go to trial. You have to do a review of the evidence and the law and also talked to witnesses and start looking for things that can help your client.The timeline could bring us into the next election cycle? No within two years, yes.I been speaking with Marc Carlos partner with the criminal defense term Bardsley & Carlos. Thank you very much.You are welcome .
A former campaign adviser to President Donald Trump has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russians, special counsel Robert Mueller said Monday, while former campaign manager Paul Manafort and Manafort's business partner pleaded not guilty to felony charges of conspiracy against the United States and other counts.
The guilty plea by former adviser George Papadopoulos marked the first criminal case that cites interactions between Trump campaign associates and Russian intermediaries during the 2016 presidential campaign. The developments ushered Mueller's sprawling investigation into a new phase with felony charges and possible prison sentences for key members of the Trump team including Manafort, who led the campaign during critical months, and Rick Gates, a campaign aide.
Court papers also revealed that Papadopoulos was told about the Russians possessing "dirt" on Democrat Hillary Clinton in the form of "thousands of emails" on April 26, 2016, well before it became public that the Democratic National Committee and Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta's emails had been hacked.
Papadopoulos has been cooperating with investigators, according to court papers, a potentially ominous sign for others in the Trump orbit who might be implicated by his statements. Papadopoulos' lawyers hinted strongly in a statement Monday that their client has more testimony to provide.
During the daily press briefing, White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders downplayed Papadopoulos' role in the campaign, saying it was "extremely limited."
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"He was not paid by the campaign," Sanders said, adding later: "Any actions that he took would have been on his own."
She said the White House has had "indications" that Mueller's investigation would conclude "soon."
The president quickly tweeted about the allegations against Manafort, saying the alleged crimes were "years ago," and insisting there was "NO COLLUSION" between his campaign and Russia.
He added, as he has a number of times recently, "Why aren't Crooked Hillary & the Dems the focus?????"
Manafort and Gates appeared in federal court in Washington and pleaded not guilty to all charges. Manafort and Gates were both released on home confinement. Manafort was freed on a $10 million bond meant to guarantee his future court appearances. Gates' bond was $5 million.
Outside the courthouse, Manafort attorney Kevin Downing attacked the charges, saying "there is no evidence that Mr. Manafort or the Trump campaign colluded with the Russian government."
Papadopoulos' plea occurred on Oct. 5 and was unsealed Monday. In court papers, he admitted to lying to FBI agents about the nature of his interactions with "foreign nationals" who he thought had close connections to senior Russian government officials. Those interactions included speaking with Russian intermediaries who were attempting to line up a meeting between Trump and Russian President Vladimir Putin and offering "dirt" on Clinton.
The court filings don't provide details on the emails or whom Papadopoulos may have told about the Russian government effort.
The FBI interviewed Papadopoulos about his Russian connections on Jan. 27, a week after Trump's inauguration. The interview predates Mueller's appointment but was part of the FBI probe into Russian election interference that he has taken over.
Papadopoulos was arrested over the summer at Dulles International Airport and has since met with the government "on numerous occasions to provide information and answer questions."
The separate charges against Manafort and Rick Gates contend the men acted as unregistered foreign agents for Ukrainian interests. The indictment also includes other financial counts involving tens of millions of dollars routed through offshore accounts.
Manafort's indictment doesn't reference the Trump campaign or make any allegations about coordination between the Kremlin and the president's aides to influence the outcome of the election in Trump's favor. The indictment does allege a criminal conspiracy was continuing through February of this year, after Trump had taken office.
The indictment filed in federal court in Washington accuses both Manafort and Gates of funneling payments through foreign companies and bank accounts as part of their political work in Ukraine. The two men surrendered to federal authorities Monday, and were expected in court later in the day to face the charges brought by Mueller's team.
The indictment lays out 12 counts including conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, acting as an unregistered foreign agent, making false statements and several charges related to failing to report foreign bank and financial accounts. The indictment alleges the men moved money through hidden bank accounts in Cyprus, St. Vincent and the Grenadines and the Seychelles.
In total, more than $75 million flowed through the offshore accounts, according to the indictment. Manafort is accused of laundering more than $18 million.
A spokesman for Manafort did not immediately return calls or text messages requesting comment. Manafort and Gates have previously denied any wrongdoing.
Manafort, 68, was fired as Trump's campaign chairman in August 2016 after word surfaced that he had orchestrated a covert lobbying operation on behalf of pro-Russian interests in Ukraine. The indictment against Manafort and Gates was largely based on activities disclosed in August 2016 by The Associated Press, which reported that the pair had orchestrated a covert Washington lobbying operation on behalf of Ukraine's ruling political party.
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Citing internal emails, the AP noted that Gates personally directed the work of two prominent Washington lobbying firms, Mercury LLC and the Podesta Group. The indictment doesn't refer to the companies by name.
Specifically, the indictment accuses Manafort of using "his hidden overseas wealth to enjoy a lavish lifestyle in the United States, without paying taxes on that income." That included using offshore accounts to purchase multimillion-dollar properties in the U.S., some of which the government is seeking to seize.
The indictment also cites more than $900,000 in payments to an antique rug store, about $850,000 to a New York men's clothing store and the purchase of a Mercedes Benz and multiple Range Rovers.
Mueller was appointed as special counsel in May to lead the Justice Department's investigation into whether the Kremlin worked with associates of the Trump campaign to tip the presidential election.
The appointment came one week after the firing of James Comey, who as FBI director led the investigation, and also followed the recusal months earlier of Attorney General Jeff Sessions from the probe.
Manafort joined Trump's campaign in March 2016 and oversaw the Republican National Convention delegate strategy. Trump pushed him out in August amid a stream of negative headlines about Manafort's foreign consulting work.
Trump's middle son, Eric Trump, said in an interview at the time that his father was concerned that questions about Manafort's past were taking attention away from the billionaire's presidential bid.
Manafort has been a subject of a longstanding FBI investigation into his dealings in Ukraine and work for the country's former president, Viktor Yanukovych. That investigation was incorporated into Mueller's broader probe. In July, his investigators raided one of Manafort's homes in Virginia, searching for tax and international banking records.
Manafort recently registered with the Justice Department as a foreign agent for parts of Ukrainian work that occurred in Washington. The indictment Monday accuses Manafort and Gates of making several false and misleading statements in that FARA filing.
Mueller's investigation has also reached into the White House, as he examines the circumstances of Comey's firing. Investigators have requested extensive documents and have interviewed multiple current and former officials.
Mueller's grand jury has also heard testimony about a June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower in New York attended by a Russian lawyer as well as Manafort, Donald Trump Jr. and the president's son-in-law, Jared Kushner.
In Gates, Mueller brings in not just Manafort's chief deputy, but a key player from Trump's campaign who survived Manafort's ouster last summer. As of two weeks ago, Gates was still working for Tom Barrack, a Trump confidant, helping with the closeout of the inauguration committee's campaign account.
